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KAT Percussion and Alternate Mode Discussion Forum => Gig Announcements and Performances => Topic started by: pljones on February 03, 2008, 05:00:34 PM
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Thought I'd share this jam (http://www.drealm.info/ninjam/jamming.php?m3u&type=ninjam&file=20080203_0557_3117-pljones-Helio-crapoupou-IRkey-Wilhelm) far and wide. (And I've updated my sig here to point to it, too :).)
TrapKAT playing ns_kit7 Rock Kit, Sticks, Wires on, No XF hi-hat. And a bunch of other folks playing four bars ahead of me in that quintessentially intervalic way that NINJAM has it.
Yes, it's 20 minutes long and yes, it was worth it :D.
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(Sig's been pointing to a different jam for a while...) Any way.
How about something different: In this (http://www.drealm.info/ninjam/jamming.php?m3u&type=ninbot&file=20080329_0804-pljones-titi_), I finally got around to playing with stacking stuff. Weird noises, basically. MIDI drum triggers and melodic instruments aren't the best of friends. I guess I'll set up a kit with a more tuned approach (mm, can different notes go out on different channels off the same pad? <edit>No, so that's not going to happen then! Be nice if each stacked note could have its own channel, too...</edit>)...
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Heh, not me! My parents, maybe..!
Somewhat more normal (http://www.drealm.info/ninjam/jamming.php?m3u&type=ninjam&file=20080330_0655_3936-pljones-ferama-uuu-Helio-pece-Bilos)... :)
Or if you like the weirder, try this excerpt (http://www.drealm.info/ninjam/jamming.php?m3u&type=edit&file=20080301_1118_pljones_20080301_0842-AndyMc-shifter-pljones-FreakJo-IJG-Puffer).
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Oh yes. It's not that I've not been jamming lately -- quite the opposite. I've changed my sig to point to my jams page. That's the better stuff: of course, as it's all live and no one's got any kind of control of what's happening, "better" doesn't necessarily mean that good! :) But there are some really nice sets in there.
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You can now subscribe to my jam page to get the latest posts. I've also put up individual stream links for each set and a "one big stream" link.
Also, if you had bookmarked the old page, please note the change of address... I should really put up a "this page has moved"... (TODO...)
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Are you talking about ninnjam or DK functions ? With my Mapper I can send a 16 note stack to 16 different midi channels---Too bad Frank Zaappa was the only person @ NAMM show to want a mapper. That's why it didn't sell--nobody could figure out what it did. I demoed it & I couldn't program the Mapper -- the inventor helped me set up the kits !! I just told him what I wanted on each pad . orb.
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Heh, not me! My parents, maybe..!
Somewhat more normal (http://ninbot.com/player/?f=20080330_0655_3936-pljones-ferama-uuu-Helio-pece-Bilos.mp3&p=autosong)... :)
Or if you like the weirder, try this excerpt (http://ninbot.com/player/?f=20080301_1118_pljones_20080301_0842-AndyMc-shifter-pljones-FreakJo-IJG-Puffer.mp3&p=edits).
for some reason these links to your jams are either broken,expired,deleted....something?
also, were there other posts on this thread that were deleted? or were you talking to yourself? I'll bet it was some (old) gmbydmit posts at one time....
How's Ninjam doing....updated? still working out well for you? anyone ever checked out ejamming.com (http://ejamming.com)?
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Sorry to laugh again gd, but I just can't help but to picture and hear EMurphy (as 'old' gumby) telling the story.......They took my posts, they eliminated my history, and rights' to manufacture were redistributed, it was one of the lowest points in gumbys life.....it's like a good part of your online persona that you couldn't make up! You definately need a footnote!
BTW PLJones, different notes can have their own channel, and choice of left and right......if you have a DKAT. Sorry if this is for another instrument. It's hard to keep that straight....except for the couple guys that have one of everything.
Vince
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gymby... I don't think I was talking to myself. I do it, but I don't think I was here. So yes, you should have some posts back! ;D Oh, and thanks -- I've rerouted the links through my magic redirection page so now you should get M3U streams when you click them. (The hosting server for the links had a reorganisation a little while back. Next time that happens, I just fix my magic redirection page and all is well...) Lots more jamming here (http://www.drealm.info/ninjam/jamming.php) (the magic redirection page pretending to be a static web page).
I've not tried ejamming.com; playing with unpredictable network latency would be nasty.
Vince: Don't think the the TK can pick between the two output ports -- and I've only one input port to wire up to. I've just started using it multi-channel (one triggering a step-sequencer, the other with my kit on... only to find my PC isn't quite up to it...).
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OK, I just tried installing the ejamming.com software and signing up. It crashed. Twice. So I uninstalled it. :)
You also need 250MB/s uplink (and downlink) speed per person jamming. (NINJAM needs about half that per stereo channel, plus downlink of 160MB/s per person.) Given my uplink speed, I could only jam with three others on ejamming (whereas I've managed about eight on NINJAM - my CPU gives out before my bandwidth, I think).
I did some research on ping times. I'd be able to jam fairly okay with people in the UK and France. But further afield than that (e.g. Ireland or Italy) and it starts getting dodgy (over 50ms ping time, one way). Anything over 20ms can throw your timing (and that limits me to < 50 miles of London). I did a few "long range" tests, too: much of the US would be restricted to one or two others playing due to uplink speed restrictions; San Francisco was 201ms at 5350 miles away (if you say five words a second, 200ms is one word); Tuscon was 380ms at about the same distance; Yokohama was 292ms but the transfer speed was so low it would have been impossible; Auckland, New Zeeland was 0.6 seconds and 11400 miles away and barely had enough bandwidth.
ejamming is an interesting idea but it severely limits the people you're going to meet. And then they want to be paid on top of that! It's not even as if they're supplying any bandwidth - it's a peer to peer model.
NINJAM itself is working well, I'm just getting frustrated - I want to make music and so many of the guitar players just want to make noise (or "solo", I think they'd try to call it). And nearly everyone's a guitar player.
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OK here's another thought (in addition to the bad idea about ejamming.com)...no seriously, I did try it when it first came out and was so frustrated with it...that I got pissed and bailed.. >:(
I just thought maybe, the NEWER ejam deal would've come up with a better plan, but apparently not.. ::)
so maybe this is another temporary fix to our live jamming with others via on line dilemma:
something like musicianscollaboration.com (http://musicianscollaboration.com) or kompoz.com (http://kompoz.com)
but only it's done here, via the KAT forum...we trade off parts...somebody records a part, uploads the file, the next guy (or girl) downloads, adds to it, uploads it again...etc,etc,etc
I use savefile.com, but I'm sure there are better file sharing sites (for those big wav and wma and mp3 files)...
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I've just posted up a few "new" ones on my jam page (http://www.drealm.info/ninjam/jamming.php). The third one on 31 May I particularly like as, listening to it, you'd hardly believe there wasn't more of a link between the guitarist and me than a four bar delay!
Yeah, when I heard they were trying a peer-to-peer model to cut latency further, I thought it might work. Shame I can't even try it, really.
I couldn't get anywhere on musicianscollaboration.com - no info without signing up for something always puts me off!
kompoz.com looked interesting, though.
My monthly bandwidth allowance is something like 300GB - I use under 1GB! -- and I pay about $30/year for it. I can hack PHP scripts up a bit too, so I might give it a go...
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I've recently splurged some hard earned (and difficult to spare... shhh...) readies on some new samples. One of the kits is called "Popsticks" from Analogue Drums (http://www.analoguedrums.com/details-ps.php) (link to specs; hope it's okay, Mario). (They like lots of analogue gear (http://www.analoguedrums.com/about.php) in the sample production chain.)
Here's a 40 minute jam (http://www.drealm.info/ninjam/jamming.php?m3u&type=ninbot&file=20090912_0903-perreko-tea-pljones-nun_emon-Fender_jB-orz) using it. ("Additional percussion" is someone called "perreko"... I think he's playing around on a real kit -- he knows I'm on a sampled kit and he's giving me room to do my thing by doing stuff he knows I can't ;).) It's nice and warm but the dynamics are different from the kit I usually use - in addition to there being fewer kit pieces, there are fewer samples per kit piece (and only closed, part open and open on the hi-hat!!).
As contrast, an excerpt (http://www.drealm.info/ninjam/jamming.php?m3u&type=edit&file=20090912_1254_pljones_20090912_0958-nun_emon-Fender_jB-orz-tea-crapouipouille-pljones-uuu-Bilos-ecorz-Wilhelm) from another jam using my usual (ns_kit7, or Natural Drum Kit as it's now sold).
(This is still all on performed through NINJAM (http://www.ninjam.com).)
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I'm listening to the 40 minuter right now....cool!
Hey are you using the same computer to run samples, as well as internet, and Ninjam?
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Yes -- all this "don't run internet and music software together" seems to be bunkum to me. It might have made a difference in 486 days but even on my old (dead) 2002-era processor I was just about okay. This new machine is dual core and I get zero problems (on the old machine I would get glitching when an app did a name look-up and on some heavy-weight site). (I've now been told I'm having this machine taken away... oh no!... and get to buy a quad-core CPU and motherboard to install in my old case :D.)
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Yes -- all this "don't run internet and music software together" seems to be bunkum to me. It might have made a difference in 486 days but even on my old (dead) 2002-era processor I was just about okay.
yeah, I think once while reacording with Sonar I think either McAfee or Windows downloaded an update and Sonar froze up...so, I think that's probably mostly why you're 'not supposed to' use the same computer for both... if in that exact moment - musical genius is flowing and all of a sudden your machine craps out....whoa!..
(I've now been told I'm having this machine taken away... oh no!... and get to buy a quad-core CPU and motherboard to install in my old case :D.)
dude!, my heart is out to you, it's gotta be rough having to get a new quad core and all....but somehow, I think you will muttle through! LOL ;D
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In my experience I think we have the same problems now as we did in the old days when it comes to having a music computer....it isn't really the being on the internet that's the problem...it's having anti virus software running! And you can't be on the internet without having anti virus software. Now, we can turn it off when we run our music stuff, and hopefully there's nothing just waiting for the antivirus to be shut off. I would agree some programs are smaller and less hurtful to computer processes, but the main three antivirus softwares are huge and will mess with music and especially the speed. I suppose it depends on what you're running and other factors. From my experience, the antivirus iseems to be working to find code in the billions of lines of music.....those numbers for that reverb are all a little too silmilar..is it a virus???... I don't know if that's true, it's just the impression I get from setting up home studios.
Personally, I don't want my music computer and stuff to change..I want it to be like hardware!...every three years or so there are factors that require a reinstall, do-over or an update. Why? Because, to stay on the internet things are rewritten all the time (in the land of windoz)...browsers are changed and updated, and operating systems are updated. The parent company decides to quit giving critical updates to last years system......Virus and malware updated every day....A music computer that is never on line seems to last the longest with the least trouble. Mine is over ten.....plenty of speed, does what I need.....but if I put it on the net, it would be killed in weeks.
vince
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And you can't be on the internet without having anti virus software.
I've been on the net one way or another since the early nineties, never run a firewall on my computer, never run background antivirus software and never had a problem.
1. Use a dedicated firewall - either a gateway server or on your ADSL box.
2. Don't download except from trusted sources -- preferably where you can read the source and compile it yourself.
3. Run any virus checker as a one off against downloads (Firefox seems to insist on doing this... till then I never bothered due to 2).
4. Know what all the processes (not applications) running on your PC are; as I type, I have 32 processes running in task manager.
Nothing can break into your PC without you providing a way in. I won't run background software that I don't trust and I simply don't trust any company selling software on the basis that "there are dark forces out there trying to invade your PC" -- it's more bunkum. Just don't download from untrusted sources.
The most important thing is to provide a firewall the acts like you're not there. Last time I checked, the Windows firewall rejected packets back to the sender, indicating you exist. A proper firewall just drops them, wasting the sender time and appearing just like any other invalid address. Then don't open incoming ports on the firewall -- mostly you won't need any - responses to requests you make outbound don't need any.
(Also, using a good ad blocker in your browser can stop exploits and, if you're not running your browser it doesn't take up CPU. And don't randomly accept cookies, either -- again, you're potentially telling who-knows-who that your IP address is valid; but ideally the ad blocker would be catching these up front.)
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Thank you for those important points.
But if you think there aren't large successful companies that work everyday to create and distribute malware, you're mistaken.
The biggest place by far that I find malware auto loading is from sites that have recipes......no permission, just click site and it comes......if you don't poke at it, sometimes it acts like a cookie and won't bother you.....sometimes
But throwing this 'buncum' word around is just troubling!
Vince
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Sorry, "FUD" would have been better. There are good freeware AV scanners if you want them but most people get suckered in by the big names. I'm not saying there aren't large organisations trying to take control of any machine they can -- I'm saying that you don't need to pay to stop it and you don't need to be running background processes to stop it. You just need to avoid stepping in front of the moving car to avoid getting run over, if you see what I mean.
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It costs more...but apparently macs get about 1 virus per million ,compared to a pc.I've had mine 4 years (current G5,others before that.) Never ANY problems.
The other day I saw a warning - first time in 4 years. "this site is an attack site" . BIG RED WARNING BOX. It was a guy on YTs website.I don't know if HE even knows.I should alert the poor guy.I HAVE NO EXTRA SOFTWARE OR FIREWALLS.Whatever came installed & the nature of macs must have helped me.I don't know what I'm doing half the time.Must be something built in.I did just replace the power supply.& my burner seems to have failed recently,I don't know how to trouble shoot that.I'm trippin to the service center next week.Fire fox keeps needing (?) updates every couple weeks.& crashes more & more as I do that.What the......?
BTW -- plj that 40 min. jam was very interesting. Avante guard jazzy sound,Not what I expected.I listened to about 15 min,& stopped to get other stuff done.Not enough time.Where have I heard that before ?
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I agree completely! Except don't know FUD....I could guess at the first couple letters.....
I use a free one, (pc tools av) and it works, and doesn't seem to be invasive. I stopped using those hndred dollar things after meltdowns about two or three years ago, but I have customers that no matter what you say, they refuse to use the free one, and insist on having a giant thing because it makes them feel safe. Just look how big their company is!! A free one simply can't do what this 150$ piece of goo does. Little do they know....
One particular meltdown and the big company told me I had to buy new program even though I still had six months left on the one I bought....Are you kidding me? Your program failed to protect my computer from virus, and you want me to punt and buy again from you Really!? How bout instead of that deal, I just never buy from you again, and I tell as many people as I can along the way about the way you do business!
vince
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"Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt". They're like the mafia in my book, just running a protection racket...
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Oh, Orb -- I just realised I never replied to your post. That alert: if it's what I'm thinking it is, it's not built into the Mac, it's built into Firefox and comes courtesy of Google, I believe. By default, you'll be leaving your browsing history with Google to contribute to their analytics, I think.
Anyway, back on topic!
I've got a new home for my jams and I've updated the page with a snazzy new filter box. Utterly pointless, though -- I wanted to do some MySQL and PHP5 coding...
http://dino.drealm.info/peter/jamming.php
^ That's the box I lost and had to replace with the quad-core.
(Mentioned it elsewhere but, sadly, the PSU died (it was from the old, 2002 PC but was a replacement from about 3 years ago) and now I've had to clamp down on outgoings till I know more about my future income...)
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It's been a while -- pressure of work and helping my wife has meant I've not even been getting my four hours a week... but I'm on holiday and got a couple of hours playing.
20100218_0821_4243-pljones-anon (part) (http://dino.drealm.info/peter/jamming.php?m3u&type=edit&file=20100220_1257_pljones_20100218_0821_4243-pljones-anon) (stream, 4 mins) I love the sound of the drums... (Here (http://dino.drealm.info/peter/jamming.php?m3u&type=edit&file=20100220_1302_pljones_20100218_0821_4243-pljones-anon) they are on there own, from the end of the same jam.)
Oh... and a PC update: this is on the new PC (under WinXP still - Win7x64 and ReaNINJAM don't like each other). Nice machine! (And Win7-RC1 seems pretty good, too. My wife's less impressed with the release version on her new machine, though.)
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Here's a another (http://alternatemode.com/forum/index.php?topic=2493.0) jam on Analogue Drums' Rock Stock.
20100709_0934_2243-pljones-manu-anon (http://ninbot.com/play/?plist=autosong&query=pljones&song=20100709_0934_2243-pljones-manu-anon.mp3)
Swinging but it is in need of a brush on the snare! Manu asked me not to play the snare and was right - the stick sound would have been wrong. But a brush would have been nice. In addition to manu on p-bass, here we have anon using a wx-7 (if I remember correctly) wind controlled synth.
And some more (http://ninbot.com/play/?plist=autosong&query=pljones&song=20100709_0934_2712-anon-pljones-manu.mp3) of the same set.
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Pretty smooth plj. All that space....ya hear every note. Great job ;)
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Thanks! :)
Oh, and here's just under a minute and a half from today.
20100710_0815-pljones-neimad (http://ninbot.com/play/?plist=edits&song=20100710_1246_pljones_20100710_0815-pljones-neimad.mp3) (edit)
Rock Stock with a different snare (Mapex 14" x 8.5" Brass Master, I think). This was the best 1m28 seconds out of a 7 minute jam - then I had to break off. (Squeezing out the listen-able bits here..!)
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Here's one I had to remix (http://dino.drealm.info/peter/media/20100725_0724_alex-DirtyDeed-pljones-hammondpl-bilos.m3u). If you get problems with that link, it's on my SoundClick Music (http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=178177&content=music) page in three parts (alex-DirtyDeed-pljones-hammondpl-bilos).
(For comparison, here (http://dino.drealm.info/peter/jamming.php?url=http://ninbot.com/play/?plist=autosong&query=pljones&song=20100725_0724_0000-alex-DirtyDeed-pljones-hammondpl-bilos.mp3)'s the auto-mixed version, more or less.)
The kit here is Analogue Drums Rock Stock with their Snare City Gretch snare. Unfortunately, Analogue Drums (http://www.analoguedrums.com/) appears to have disappeared. Hopefully they can scrape together some cash to feed the meter and get the site back online.
The bass player is alex - I always enjoy jamming with him (assuming it's always the same person called alex...). DirtyDeeds is one guitarist. bilos is another guitarist. And, uh, you guessed it, hammondpl is the organist, with even more distortion than the guitarists and hence mixed much lower.
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Here's one I had to remix (http://dino.drealm.info/peter/media/20100725_0724_alex-DirtyDeed-pljones-hammondpl-bilos.m3u). If you get problems with that link, it's on my SoundClick Music (http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=178177&content=music) page in three parts (alex-DirtyDeed-pljones-hammondpl-bilos).
Listening now ... at work ... very nice. Excellent when the gits and the ['I shot the sheriff'] organ join in.
Unfortunately, Analogue Drums (http://www.analoguedrums.com/) appears to have disappeared.
Noooooooooooo .......
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They're back (Analogue Drums), more or less.
Anyway, here's another few:
A jam of two halves (http://ninbot.com/play/?plist=autosong&song=20100813_0849_0048-pljones-anon-yuki.mp3) - both heavy! The first half hangs together really well. The second is more a collection of good tries.
These next two may not be to anyone else's taste :)...
An abstract (http://ninbot.com/play/?plist=ninbot&song=20100813_0946-pljones-perreko-anon-strat_univers.mp3) - if not entirely random - jam with perreko. I like it...
A second abstract jam (http://ninbot.com/play/?plist=ninbot&song=20100813_0959-pljones-perreko-strat_univers.mp3) with perreko also on drums (real kit) with some contribution from strat_universe. I really like the ending.
All on ns_kit7/ndk Rock Kit.
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Sorry, it's another fairly abstract (http://ninbot.com/play/?plist=edits&query=&song=20101016_1517_pljones_20101016_0854_2216-pljones-radar-_m1k-i_smell_b-U_N_K_O.mp3) piece.
The kit here is Native Instruments' Abbey Road Late 60s drum kit. Most of the other contribution is from "_m1k" with a little bit of "radar" right at the end.
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That was way-cool!
then I started prowling around and I stumbled upon this http://ninbot.com/content/evan-grant-making-sound-visible-through-cymatics (http://ninbot.com/content/evan-grant-making-sound-visible-through-cymatics)
this is trippy man (like YOUR tune, PLJ.....I had a flashback)
dudes....you gotta check this out!
thanks, PLJ
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T
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Thanks! :)
Most people get scared off by the unstructured stuff -- you really do have to be in the right mood to get into a jam like that. Luckily I was: _m1k had been playing like that for about 45 minutes ... without having his uplink to the jam enabled! When he sorted that out, everyone else left... :( Turned out well in the end, though, as this - to me - is much more creative than what went on in that "lost" (for _m1k) 45 minutes.
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Here's another one of those times when the atmosphere works. Nothing particularly original (http://ninbot.com/play/?plist=edits&song=20101106_1342_pljones_20101106_0900_0843-marcusbaz-aneyrey-BijoB-pljones-YES-xmikus01-silentkap.mp3), though, just great fun taking part.
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There is new exploit that will affect CentOS 64bit servers. We have patched our shared severs for this. If your Dedicated server is running CentOS 64bit OS then please open a support ticket with your login information and we will apply the patch for this on your server.
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http://www.ps2netdrivers.net/manual/harman.kardon.avr.347/
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(Well, let's not run CentOS then...)
In the meantime, here's a new jam in a bit of a different style (http://ninbot.com/play/?plist=edits&song=20101117_1421_pljones_20101117_0810_4209-kaji666-pljones-nao_mw-_Mix_-acoustica-givingbac.mp3) from my usual.
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As I'm holiday at the moment, I've been getting more time to jam, which is nice. Here's a couple from today. (Oh, just into yesterday..!)
Nice piano (http://ninbot.com/play/?plist=autosong&song=20101120_0743_2856-kenzok-pljones-lalalatoo.mp3).
This one (http://ninbot.com/play/?plist=edits&song=20101120_1455_pljones_20101120_0843_0256-kenzok-pljones-watson-AD_Bass-titi-nobe-anon.mp3) took a while to die off at the end...
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Here's a summary of the second, final week of my holiday:
I recommend listening to this one (http://ninbot.com/play/?plist=edits&song=20101122_1306_pljones_20101122_0824_3554-BijoB-pljones-ecorz-tutur-harry-Kman-AD_Bass.mp3) on speakers/headphones with good low end reproduction - otherwise you'll miss a lot of the bass guitar and kick.
This was fun (http://ninbot.com/play/?plist=edits&song=20101127_1543_pljones_20101126_0857_0000-royer-pljones-chaka-ajx.mp3), though keeping the guitarist playing to the click was... challenging.
I had a hard time deciding on whether to give you this one (http://ninbot.com/play/?plist=edits&song=20101128_0407_pljones_20101127_0836_2811-pljones-CoCo_-Tuk-Makelen_g-bilos-hammer.mp3) or another from the same day. This is messier but longer... (Oh go on, have both (http://ninbot.com/play/?plist=edits&song=20101128_0314_pljones_20101127_0836_1339-pljones-Tuk.mp3).)
All in all, a lot of fun. Now I'm back at work, of course! And it's snowing. Oh well...
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those were cool jams too dude!
someday I gonna figure out ninjam/ninbot..
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Snow.....we got dusted yesterday early.....barely any.....in the 20's here now......-3 to -4 C
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If you get to gig or jam live ("for real" :)), then you can probably live without NINJAM. But I don't have transport or luggable gear, so it's really the only way I get to play music with anyone else! A real lifeline.
Anyway, I wouldn't post if I didn't have more jams, now, would I? ::)
A nice bit of jazzy blues... or bluesy jazz... (http://ninbot.com/play/?plist=edits&song=20101211_1104_pljones_20101211_0542_0000-pppp-Holborn-pljones-watson-karmakame-i_smell_b-Luke-Buzzzz.mp3)
And here's the second one. Bass and keys were working from music score... which was marked "Bossa" at the top. Hmm... so I let the bass lead me! We took a while to pull it together - this is the third time of starting over - but it went pretty well in the end... and breaks into some boogie toward the end, too! :) Sadly, that was just when I had to leave.
Bossa boogies (http://ninbot.com/play/?plist=edits&song=20101211_1229_pljones_20101211_0642_0000-Holborn-Buzzzz-karmakame-Luke-pppp-pljones-Helio.mp3)...
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Let's get down to something a little heavier...
I have to say [this (http://ninbot.com/play/?plist=edits&song=20101227_1408_pljones_20101227_0804_3348-Kanurider-pljones.mp3)] is possibly the best jam I've played in -- just magic. Only the two of us, so it's fairly simple stuff. But it rocks.
Remember to check out the RSS (http://dino.drealm.info/peter/jamming.php?rss) feed if you want to get all these as I post them.
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Ooh, didn't realise it had been so long since I posted a jam!
Here we go (http://ninbot.com/play/?plist=edits&song=20110320_1454_pljones_20110319_0834_3532-bringkeys-pljones-tea-ninjaz.mp3) (stream (http://dino.drealm.info/peter/jamming.php?m3u&type=edit&file=20110320_1454_pljones_20110319_0834_3532-bringkeys-pljones-tea-ninjaz)). Trying to hold a steady beat... not too badly...
Oh... and really, do listen to this one. The voice!
jeje sings (http://ninbot.com/play/?plist=edits&song=20110220_1356_pljones_20110220_0752_0024-anon-pljones-tea-nick-pelle-jeje-PanPan.mp3) (stream (http://dino.drealm.info/peter/jamming.php?m3u&type=edit&file=20110220_1356_pljones_20110220_0752_0024-anon-pljones-tea-nick-pelle-jeje-PanPan))
And as it's always fun to have a sillier one...
Loud and heavy (http://ninbot.com/play/?plist=edits&song=20110123_0229_pljones_20110115_0722_3540-pljones-iiiiii-neimad.mp3) (stream (http://dino.drealm.info/peter/jamming.php?m3u&type=edit&file=20110123_0229_pljones_20110115_0722_3540-pljones-iiiiii-neimad))
And finally, to end with something smooth and mellow:
A slower number (http://ninbot.com/play/?plist=edits&song=20110314_1316_pljones_20110219_0832_1004-Nacho-Kman-pljones-person-Doc.mp3) (stream (http://dino.drealm.info/peter/jamming.php?m3u&type=edit&file=20110314_1316_pljones_20110219_0832_1004-Nacho-Kman-pljones-person-Doc))
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This one (http://ninbot.com/play/?plist=edits&song=20110404_1440_pljones_20110326_1018_0400-taku-tea-pljones-will-alberto_s-fra.mp3) (stream (http://dino.drealm.info/peter/jamming.php?m3u&type=edit&file=20110404_1440_pljones_20110326_1018_0400-taku-tea-pljones-will-alberto_s-fra)) I like because of the way the piece carries the feel of everyone taking part playing together, rather than - in fact - being scattered around the globe, playing to what was played seconds earlier!
Oh, and I've now got a fancy Facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Pljones/145614815505497?sk=app_56625786785) with the RSS feed on.
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And now for something from SoundCloud: http://snd.sc/mQkhXv
I host on SoundCloud when the AutoJam mix or ninbot edit facilities aren't really enough to do a jam justice. This needed some subtle tweaking to the levels and deserved the fade in and out. Performers are maddin on acoustic guitar with live multi-track capture and loop; his girlfriend on vocals (multi-part!); Doc and titi on electric guitars and me on TrapKAT/naturaldrumkit samples.
Might as well plug my latest bit of web programming, too: http://llcon.drealm.info/peter/llcon (yes, it looks simple... /sigh/)
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Nice jam plj.
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Well, about time for another :).
Rock (http://ninbot.com/play/?plist=edits&song=20110813_1559_pljones_20110813_0925-cyberdog-Manu_Z-Fade-JerryBaker-pastel-karmakameleon-pljones-bolb.mp3) - what sub-genre? Country rock?
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It's still Rock N Rock to Me
Nice Jam (as usual) my friend...
You held down the foundation nicely and the GEE-TAR players do their thang....which is always good....more room for their head ;D
nice mix great groove drumming PLJ!
T
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OK, nearly two months so I guess I can put out another... I really tried to lay back on this. It sounds so much better played back than it did during, too! Hope you've got some bass on what you're listening on and are feeling like getting some groove on! :D
Southern rock (http://ninbot.com/play/?plist=edits&query=&song=20111003_0939_pljones_20111002_0812-jabba-pljones-NickP-lothar.mp3)?
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20120205-1602-edit01-pljones-Manu_Z-Gaz-KCsr-Gerald-geopercusons
pljones - drums
Manu_Z - sounds...
Gaz - guitar-ish sounds
KCsr - guitar
Gerald - guitar at start
geopercusons - additional percussion
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/
This is a 28m39 free jam. Often on NINJAM, you get stuck in the interval, just looping around and around, not really getting anywhere at all. This is completely different. There's a feeling that it's a piece of music that evolves from the beginning to the end. There are, of course, consistent underlying themes throughout, holding it together but the instrumentation and melody both vary significantly. One of the great things about NINJAM is it encourages a "call and response" approach when performing like this, because you're not playing at the same time.
It's been remixed from the ReaNINJAM clipsort recordings, i.e. to adjust levels. (No one complains I'm too quiet any more but I can't convince anyone I'm too loud... which I am.) In a couple of places I cut glitches, too. Post-processed in Audacity (amp to -3dB, compress with knee at -15dB, amp to -3dB). LAME for MP3 encoding ("-V2 -h"); ogg vorbis for ogg ("-q10").
[mp3] (http://www.drealm.info/ninjam/20120205-1602-edit01-pljones-Manu_Z-Gaz-KCsr-Gerald-geopercusons.mp3) [stream] (http://www.drealm.info/ninjam/20120205-1602-edit01-pljones-Manu_Z-Gaz-KCsr-Gerald-geopercusons-mp3.m3u)
[ogg] (http://www.drealm.info/ninjam/20120205-1602-edit01-pljones-Manu_Z-Gaz-KCsr-Gerald-geopercusons.ogg) [stream] (http://www.drealm.info/ninjam/20120205-1602-edit01-pljones-Manu_Z-Gaz-KCsr-Gerald-geopercusons-ogg.m3u)
The "original" version can be found here (http://ninbot.com/play/?plist=edits&query=&song=20120205_1040_pljones_20120205_0859-Manu_Z-Gerald-pljones-Gaz-KCsr-geopercusons-hedbox-tea-polmac.mp3), as recorded by ninbot, truncated a little after the track above ends.
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that was frickin awesome!
I might have to steal some of that for a video.....
:)
keep em comin, PLJ
T
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Thanks :)
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On 9th September, I happened to jam the same track a couple of times with two different sample sets selected. http://dino.drealm.info/peter/jamming
Full 17 minutes (http://www.drealm.info/ninjam/20120909-1522-edit01-pljones-DaMNeD-Telecaster-TaNya-Manu_Z-viteg-joepasser.mp3) (stream (http://dino.drealm.info/peter/jamming?m3u&type=drealm&file=20120909-1522-edit01-pljones-DaMNeD-Telecaster-TaNya-Manu_Z-viteg-joepasser)) using Native Instruments Abbey Road Late 60s Kit (v1.1 Full).
A more bearable 3m35 (http://www.drealm.info/ninjam/20120909-1522-edit02-pljones-DaMNeD-Telecaster-TaNya-Manu_Z-viteg-joepasser.mp3) (stream (http://dino.drealm.info/peter/jamming?m3u&type=drealm&file=20120909-1522-edit02-pljones-DaMNeD-Telecaster-TaNya-Manu_Z-viteg-joepasser)) using ns_kit7 Rock Kit (snares on, sticks).
Mostly this is so people can listen to the hi-hat sounds. The tune is pretty repetitive, so you can get to concentrate. I actually found the NI kit more responsive here than I expected but I still love the ns_kit7 hi-hat. I'd probably tell the first was using samples but, other than I know the sound of ns_kit7 so well, I doubt I'd call it on the second one.
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Very nice! Chilling to that. Both kits sound lovely.
PS, that manu_Z, he gets everywhere, does he?
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Yeah - they're both edits and he didn't actually make either cut. There in spirit only :).
At the time, I'd felt the NI kit suited the music down to the ground (a little like elevator music... uh, I mean the less crisp sound of the kit fitted the vibe). I'd switched to ns_kit7 and was getting back into the feel when DaMNeD started the loop up again - and it didn't sound too bad. I still prefer the "fit" in the first piece, even if the hi-hat isn't as expressive.
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Here's something a bit slower and bluesy.
20120914-1522-pljones-tea-taku-Helio (http://www.drealm.info/ninjam/20120914-1522-pljones-tea-taku-Helio.mp3) (stream (http://dino.drealm.info/peter/jamming?m3u&type=drealm&file=20120914-1522-pljones-tea-taku-Helio))
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And some brush work (lovely flute, too):
20120916-1456-edit03-pljones-TaNya-Oubien_Keyboard_-BassTard (http://www.drealm.info/ninjam/20120916-1456-edit03-pljones-TaNya-Oubien_Keyboard_-BassTard.mp3) (stream (http://dino.drealm.info/peter/jamming?m3u&type=drealm&file=20120916-1456-edit03-pljones-TaNya-Oubien_Keyboard_-BassTard))
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You can't ever have too much, can you? Well, just when you thought maybe "that's getting a bit much", this next piece will drop you off into free-fall...
20120923-1454-edit01-pljones-poro-tea-T_rex-ninjaz-Helio-Gaz-DirtyDeeds (http://www.drealm.info/ninjam/20120923-1454-edit01-pljones-poro-tea-T_rex-ninjaz-Helio-Gaz-DirtyDeeds.mp3) (stream (http://dino.drealm.info/peter/jamming?m3u&type=drealm&file=20120923-1454-edit01-pljones-poro-tea-T_rex-ninjaz-Helio-Gaz-DirtyDeeds))
Me on ns_kit7 as ever, poro making weird noises (keyboard, I think), ninjaz making other weird noises (wind controller, usually), tea on lead and T-rex on bass (Helio, Gaz and DirtyDeeds hadn't arrived by the end of this edit).
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Oooh, over a year since I posted a jam... let's have two up, then:
20131020-1608-edit01-pljones-Doublebass-viteg-yoyobass (http://www.drealm.info/ninjam/20131020-1608-edit01-pljones-Doublebass-viteg-yoyobass.mp3) (stream (http://peter.drealm.info/jamming?m3u&type=drealm&file=20131020-1608-edit01-pljones-Doublebass-viteg-yoyobass))
This has me switching kits a couple of minutes in (ns_kit7/natural drum kit Rock to Analogue Drums RockStock, I think) and several other "disasters" but it was really fun getting into something a bit different. Doublebass on looped keys backing bass and other sounds, then just keys later on. viteg on lead guitar. yoyobass on bass in the latter half.
20131102-0950-edit04-pljones-tea (http://www.drealm.info/ninjam/20131102-0950-edit04-pljones-tea.mp3) (stream (http://peter.drealm.info/jamming?m3u&type=drealm&file=20131102-0950-edit04-pljones-tea))
This is just sublime (despite a few mistakes). I'm playing ns_kit7/natural drum kit Rock throughout with tea playing a very nice sounding lead guitar.
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More than another year..! A contrasting pair, then:
20141226-1418-edit02-pljones-ced (http://www.drealm.info/ninjam/20141226-1418-edit02-pljones-ced.mp3) (stream (http://peter.drealm.info/jamming?m3u&type=drealm&file=20141226-1418-edit02-pljones-ced))
Seven minute jam with just two of us - ced on guitar, playing a heavy riff over my rocking drumming. This is NI Abbey Road 80s Black with the Heavy Metal patch, I believe. And possibly rather too much compression as well...
20141221-1517-pljones-unfretted-KarlPopper-Alfred-pajter-pajam (http://www.drealm.info/ninjam/20141221-1517-pljones-unfretted-KarlPopper-Alfred-pajter-pajam.mp3) (stream (http://peter.drealm.info/jamming?m3u&type=drealm&file=20141221-1517-pljones-unfretted-KarlPopper-Alfred-pajter-pajam))
Nearly an hour here of experimental sounds. I'm using a variety of the Native Instruments kits. KarlPopper is also making percussive sounds. Alfred is on the synth pads. unfretted enters on (I think) clarinet about 15 minutes in and continues on a variety of acoustic sounds. pajter and pajam arrive and depart separately, later (and now I don't remember what they were playing!).
More here (http://peter.drealm.info/json), of course.
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that is some rad jams dude!
the 1st one...need more volume on the ride cym :) (IMO) but I dug the Toms panning also
that 2nd one...I still have to listen to in its entirety, but very cool....some of those sounds seemed familiar, like some even sounded like a korg wavedrum, and / or some Battery sounds...?
very cool dude
thanks for sharing
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Thanks for listening. I've been leaving the Native Instrument kits "as installed" until I get a feel for the sounds... then I'll start tweaking 'em :). It takes me about a year to really get irritated enough by things like "I can't hear the ride" (yeah, you're right...) before I actually give in and set up the kit a little "differently". That's because I'll usually find my first several attempts worse!
Anyway, here's another...
20150308-1640-edit03-pljones-mbazz-DirtyDeeds-Audialite-J_Kritz (http://www.drealm.info/ninjam/20150308-1640-edit03-pljones-mbazz-DirtyDeeds-Audialite-J_Kritz.mp3)
OK, so I've no idea what the style of music is called but it was great fun to play.
pljones: TrapKAT to Native Instruments Abbey Road 70s "Tight" kit (IIRC)
mbazz: mmm, bass
DirtyDeeds: loopy synth bits
Audialite: dirty guitar
J_Kritz: clean guitar
Post-processing: the usual cleaning up plus, here, lots and lots of trying to get the levels "right" all through...
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OK, something more easily identifiable as smooth jazz.
20150301-1611-edit01-pljones-AD_Bass-Doublebass-tilt (http://www.drealm.info/ninjam/20150301-1611-edit01-pljones-AD_Bass-Doublebass-tilt.mp3)
pljones: TrapKAT to NI Abbey Roads... err, I forget...
AD_Bass: bass
Doublebass: keyboards
tilt: brief lead guitar segment
Post processing... tilt's slightly edgy and then muffled sound is down to the very poor signal-to-noise on the original recording that I mercilessly scrubbed and adjusted levels on: I just wish the original had been better as the playing was much better than it sounds here; the "mud" would have swamped the rest of the mix if I'd simply amplified it up. Not so bad else where - gently noise removal and high and low pass filters, plus a touch of compression and then level adjustments. Overall mix then subtly compressed a little, leaving plenty of dynamics.
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Time for another... Two sections in this jazz piece. Doublebass covers bass (looped) and keys with me on NI Abbey Road 70s Open kit throughout. The first part has Ozrael on frenetic guitar. The second has Magnus on delightful trumpet.
20150606-1006-edit01-pljones-Doublebass-Ozrael-Magnus (http://www.drealm.info/ninjam/20150606-1006-edit01-pljones-Doublebass-Ozrael-Magnus.mp3)
Usual post processing of clean up and low/high pass filters, plus dynamic level adjustments to peak at -6dB before then performing the overall mix. Mastering was a tender application of compression.
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It's time... for another post. I'll trawl back in time for several tracks since the last post...
Two recent ones:
20160221-1532-edit01-pljones-Nacho-karcass-tea (http://www.drealm.info/ninjam/20160221-1532-edit01-pljones-Nacho-karcass-tea.mp3)
20160221-1610-edit01-pljones-Nacho-tea (http://www.drealm.info/ninjam/20160221-1610-edit01-pljones-Nacho-tea.mp3)
Nacho on keys, tea on guitar, karcass on bass on the first track, me on Native Instruments Abbey Road 70s Drummer Open Full kit Hard Rock patch with a scripted variable hi-hat. Stems cleaned up and some hard-handed editing on the second track to get more out of Nacho's performance (he kept stopping playing so I duplicated a few bits). The first has a heavily edited start - everyone was playing but I stripped it back as I felt this showed more how the mood developed. And I really had some fun playing on it...
20151205-0904-edit03-pljones-pelican (http://www.drealm.info/ninjam/20151205-0904-edit03-pljones-pelican.mp3)
A very different feel here with pelican on guitar getting a great sound.
20151114-0951-edit02-pljones-hooduldul-theo_h (http://www.drealm.info/ninjam/20151114-0951-edit02-pljones-hooduldul-theo_h.mp3)
Hard drums over vaporous guitar (theo_h) and keys (hooduldul).
20151003-0911-edit01-pljones-notMe-flip (http://www.drealm.info/ninjam/20151003-0911-edit01-pljones-notMe-flip.mp3)
There aren't enough singers (notMe) on NINJAM, so this could do with pushing. flip here on spacey guitar.
20150912-1020-edit01-pljones-clarkay-mutant (http://www.drealm.info/ninjam/20150912-1020-edit01-pljones-clarkay-mutant.mp3)
Something a little proggy. And very nice.
20150725-1019-edit01-pljones-cyberdog (http://www.drealm.info/ninjam/20150725-1019-edit01-pljones-cyberdog.mp3)
Back now to nearly my previous post... Here's cyberdog making his B3 clone do dirty things... I'm on NI AR 50s Drummer Autumn Kit, I think...
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all are very cool jams dude!
now, a question (again) are you able to record each sep track while jamming?
or are you just able to record a mix down of all the players parts simultaneously and then do some tweaking with that?
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It's as separate tracks. The remote players get received as lossy compressed audio (Ogg Vorbis) from the server in streams of chunks and each player's track's (or tracks') chunks get decompressed and re-assembled by Reaper. (The local track (or tracks) are also chunked - to ensure consistency with the remotes - but saved lossless.)
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cool on the ogg
(down with O G G yeah you know me) :o
I have also used .ape monkey audio for compressing files as well.
and dbpoweramp.com is where i found other various goodies.
are you running Windows, Linux, both?
T
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Windows for desktop, Linux for server (http://peter.drealm.info/angularjs).
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I guess three and a half years between posts doesn't count as being overly pushy (particularly given the readership now). Anyway, this was great:
20191004-1916-pljones-donati-TrashCanHead-0cean (http://www.drealm.info/ninjam/20191004-1916-pljones-donati-TrashCanHead-0cean.mp3)
donati on synth bits (he's another drummer), levels heavily adjusted and the huge reverb added in the mix; TrashCanHead on bass; 0cean on guitar; and me on ns_kit7 full rock kit (snares on) once more, plus the mixing as ever.
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So, I thought it would be apropos to listen to this 5 months later...
:D ::)
Crazy Stuff dude!
I liked it, even though mid way thru I experienced a 70's acid flash-back
8)
Tim